Beyond light pollution: Starlink satellites are also interfering with radio signals

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Why it matters: Elon Musk's ever-expanding network of Starlink internet satellites is increasingly becoming a major headache for astronomers studying the universe. While the streaks of light from these satellites in images have been a well-known concern for years, researchers in the Netherlands are now also raising alarms about leaked radio signals from the new generation of Starlink satellites.

Experts at the Netherlands Institute for Radio Astronomy (ASTRON) claim that second-generation, or "V2," Mini Starlink satellites emit interference that is a staggering 32 times stronger than that from previous models. Director Jessica Dempsey explained to the BBC that this overwhelming radio noise is effectively "blinding" their telescopes, jeopardizing research on crucial cosmic phenomena such as black holes, early galaxies, and exoplanets.

The radiation levels measured from the V2 satellites exceed international regulatory limits. In July, ASTRON's LOFAR radio telescope detected unintended emissions from nearly every V2 satellite it observed – an astonishing 10 million times brighter than the faintest celestial objects typically studied. According to the researchers, it's akin to trying to examine dim stars while a full moon is out.

With SpaceX launching around 40 new V2 satellites into orbit each week, Dempsey warned that the situation is rapidly worsening. As of the latest count, there are over 6,400 Starlink satellites orbiting Earth, significantly outnumbering competitors like OneWeb, which has fewer than 1,000 satellites. These figures are small compared to the projected total of 100,000 satellites by 2030 as companies race to expand global broadband coverage.

The Starlink satellites are relatively large, with flat panels extending three meters and an eight-meter-long solar array for power.

Beyond radio astronomy, the interference problem extends to increased light pollution. Research from 2022 revealed that less than 0.5 percent of astronomical images were affected by satellites in late 2019. By August 2021, this had risen to nearly one in five images.

Astronomers confronted SpaceX following issues with the first-generation Starlink satellites, but the situation appears to have worsened with the V2 models, according to the report.

The ASTRON team believes that shielding the satellites' batteries could significantly reduce emissions and interference. However, they argue that stricter regulation and oversight of satellite operations are necessary to achieve meaningful improvements.

Image credit: Chr. Offenberg

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I wonder if Mars was looking like Earth before things got technical. We still got Venus to try again.
 
I always wondered from long ago , if Sky Mega corp etc bombard our own homes with encoded waves, they hit us as we walk down the street etc . So if I decode it with some software in my house am I really doing something illegal. My defense is stop your f'ing signal hitting my house all day and night

But if Cubans want to play ultra sonic or sub sonic waves, USA goes into a hissy fit, takes their tiny now shrivelled balls and go home

In some countries companies can f up your life, buy the mining rights for your property and dig it up willy nilly

Anyway more seriously this communal resources , commons has been a wild west for along time . Pillage and rape and the open oceans , mine for nickel/copper modules on the sea floor.
More areas needed to protected like we have done for the Antarctic , and enforced with confications of ships and massive fines

Think the moon might already have protection , Musk should go off and mine the asteroid belt like a real space cowboy

Certain fishing grounds should be extended way out into ocean for the local people. Yes corrupt govt officials will still sell flags of convenience, but its a damn shame say in West Africa offshore fisherman are having their catches dwindle . It much worse that long boarders taking the short boarders waves in Malibu or wherever . This feeds their family and communities

Plus city folk are like wow when they go to a dark sky area, especially with still dry air, I didn't know there were so many stars, what are those stars moving across the sky ??? ( ie satellites )
Plus us folks in the Southern Hemisphere grabbed the best night sky for viewing, so take that . Milky way is fn amazing down our way
 
So the article on The Register about this mentions they are 10 million times the brightness; but also that they are 32x higher emissions than the previous model. But they note the previous models emissions were 1 microwatt in these bands (I.e. it's high compared to these distant starts and celestial objects, but it's a very small amount of emission.)

My guess on the cause? Software defined radios -- if you have specialized radios for each band, you'll have filters on each one. If you want to keep your SDR as flexible as possible than the temptation is to not put these RF filters on.

They've run into this with ground based equipment now and then --a modern cell site has remote radio units on the cell site, literally like a 0-2ghz (or maybe 0.5-2ghz) radio and like a 2-6ghz one or so, the ones I heard T-Mobile is using for instance will just let you pick out whatever 200mhz worth of spectrum you want and receive and transmit on there (and if you're running more than 200mhz... which T-Mobile often is, they got a ridiculous number of mhz in some markets after they bought out Sprint)... then you have a second unit for the rest.) So you now get this situation where equpiment was sometimes already installed for years, cell co gets new 4G/5G spectrum in an auction, and they can flip it on with a software update, even though that specific band didn't exist when the equipment shipped. But in one or two cases (I think one was with a band AT&T went to use), they did find out of band emissions were too high (since there wren't RF filters and the equipment is designed to cover a wide frequency range, not to avoid out of band on that specific band)... they could still use it but had to reduce the transmit power at least on the older cell sites. (They didn't interfere then turn it down, though, they found the high out of band emissions during their testing and ran them at lower power from the start.)
 
The article says eventually 100,000 of them up there. Old or failing ones can be 'deorbited' and made to burn up, but presumably some will fail before that and continue to orbit for up to 5 years, makes me wonder how rockets can be safely launched through all of that 'debris' safely.
 
Doesn't matter. You and I will be dead before it bothers us.
I'm not bothered already.

The article says eventually 100,000 of them up there. Old or failing ones can be 'deorbited' and made to burn up, but presumably some will fail before that and continue to orbit for up to 5 years, makes me wonder how rockets can be safely launched through all of that 'debris' safely.
Even if there was a million there's still huge gaps between them. It's about scale. The surface area of our orbit is >140,000,000kms at 400km high. Probably be pretty unlucky to collide when leaving the atmosphere I reckon.

If there was 140,000,000 of them up there it would start to get a bit hairy. Would need laser beams to shoot em out the way, or something. Laser beams sounds good though.
 
So many of these and other problems didn't exist when space was more tightly regulated. It's doubtful we'll ever get back that control and unless we do, things will only get worse .....
 
Think the moon might already have protection , Musk should go off and mine the asteroid belt like a real space cowboy
Even though mining asteroids would be an extremely expensive venture, I agree with you on this. The estimated wealth there is beyond imagination, and IMO, would make the economic investment in the venture far more than worth it. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/min...html?msockid=3f7d8eb54a3b66a739179f584b6d67f0

The problem is that Musk is a dolt who thinks that his brain is as intelligent as his wallet is deep. IMO, he is a man with a big mouth and small ideas.
 
Well, maybe. Perhaps he is about to be taken down a few pegs. IMO, most of those in the US crapping about 1st Amendment Rights do not realize that "incitement to violence" is not a protected 1st Amendment right.
Are you sure you don't mean >"carping"< ? (Inquired the world's worst yupist) Whoops, I meant "typist".
 
I'm not bothered already.


Even if there was a million there's still huge gaps between them. It's about scale. The surface area of our orbit is >140,000,000kms at 400km high. Probably be pretty unlucky to collide when leaving the atmosphere I reckon.

If there was 140,000,000 of them up there it would start to get a bit hairy. Would need laser beams to shoot em out the way, or something. Laser beams sounds good though.
"Probably be pretty unlucky to collide" is not something I want to hear the captain saying in the pre-takeoff spiel lol.
 
oh cry me a river, that post was a joke, get out of here.
Maybe so. But still, there's only so much bad taste you can put into (supposed) "humor", before it comes back to bite you on the a**.

Remember, a lot more people worship Swift and Travis Kelsey, than worship you, or any Musk groupie here at Techspot.

How about if I offer to knock your Girlfriend up? I'd take care of her catz afterwards. Maybe even cuddle if she promised to leave the bag on her head.

Oh is that different? Or, "is it only funny when Musk says it"? Keep on smilin', my good man, I was jus' joking.
 
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Even though mining asteroids would be an extremely expensive venture, I agree with you on this. The estimated wealth there is beyond imagination, and IMO, would make the economic investment in the venture far more than worth it. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/15/min...html?msockid=3f7d8eb54a3b66a739179f584b6d67f0

The problem is that Musk is a dolt who thinks that his brain is as intelligent as his wallet is deep. IMO, he is a man with a big mouth and small ideas.
Musk can't be easily described. His complex personally is not unlike a bipolar version of a brillant mind combined with a temperamental *****. Meds might help.
 
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